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5 May 1999

European Debating Council, Rotterdam 1999

Minutes of European Council Meeting, 1999

European Debating Championships, 1999

11/4/1999 Rotterdam, Netherlands

Chairman: Edwin Meulensteen, Netherlands
Recording secretary: Yehoshua Gurtler, Israel

Participants
Name Country
Shpend Shmeti Bulgaria
Blanka Munclingevoua Czech Republic
Milan Konrad Czech Republic
Geoff Mamdani England
Miurean O’Cinneide England
Aaron Maniam England
Adrian Montague England
Mark Summers England
Julian Versteeg England
Kristi Hakkaja Estonia
Enn Metsar Estonia
Manolis Polychronides Greece
Colm Flynn Ireland
Tim O’Connor Ireland
Rachel Azaria Israel
Yehoshua Gurtler Israel
Gonen HaCohen Israel
Mukhit Yeleuov Kazakhstan
Sanzhar Abdikhalyk Kazakhstan
Jan-Pieter Oosterom Netherlands
Edwin Meulensteen Netherlands
Rutger Claassen Netherlands
Elsewine Rietveld Netherlands
Bibilotte Duyvesteyn Netherlands
Benjamin Bolger Netherlands
Merijn van der Zalm Netherlands
Dirk v Dorsselaar Netherlands
Floor v/d Broek Netherlands
Ana Caterina Dias Portugal
Rute L. S. Paredes Portugal
Nicole Papadopoulos Scotland
Duncan Cockburn Scotland
Chris Peggie Scotland
Anja Poytler Slovenia

Agenda - Presented by Mr. Meulensteen, no objections, or additions.

Constitution & European Debating Committee -

Edwin Meulensteen: This is the first meeting of the European Council (henceforth: the council) held without a constitution. Up till now, the competition has been held in accordance with the World Debating Championships’ constitution. Mr. Meulensteen suggested that the council elect a standing committee that would undertake the task of drafting the competition’s constitution.

Bibi Duyvesteyn: Copies of the constitution proposal should be distributed to all delegates at least two months before the council’s next meeting.

Julian Versteeg: What is the purpose of the constitution?

E. Meulensteen: The rules will ensure that the European Championships will always be held in the British Parliamentary Format and that debates will always be held in the English language.

Colm Flynn: The constitution will prevent a situation where there will be ‘double’ European Championships. The constitution will maintain the unique character of the European Championships.

Tim O’Conner: The council should register the title "European Debating Championships" as a trademark.

J. Versteeg: The idea of registration is both impractical and inefficient.

T. O’Conner: Registration can be done in a simple and inexpensive manner.

C. Flynn: The committee should study the history of the European Championships to ensure that it maintains its unique character and superiority over other European competitions.

E. Meulensteen: The World Championships aren’t a registered trademark and this has not been a problem.

Geoff Mamdani: There should be a requirement that anyone involved in the official European Championships shouldn’t be allowed to be involved in any other ‘European Championships’.

C. Flynn: We should have a mailing list that will allow the delegates to vote during the year and prevent the need for unilateral decision.

G. Mamdani: The council should clearly outline the authority of the committee.

N. Papadopoulos: The council should determine the makeup of the committee.

C. Flynn: The makeup of the committee shouldn’t be regional, it should be open to nominations and voted on by the council.

T. O’Conner: Regional membership will allow the members to have a closer connection with local debating societies in their region.

C. Flynn: Having a regional committee may create a situation where we have to force people to be members, to get all the regions represented.

E. Meulensteen: The host of the upcoming competition should always be represented.

J. Versteeg: The committee should have an odd number of members for voting purposes.

C. Flynn: The host of the last competition should also be a represented, to assist in the organization of the upcoming competition.

The Council unanimously accepted the decision to establish The European Debating Committee. The committee will be made up of seven (7) members, including representatives of the hosts of the previous and upcoming championships.



T. O’Conner: The representative of the host of the previous competition should chair the committee. This would prevent misuse of power by the organizers of the upcoming competition.

C. Flynn: The representative of the host of the upcoming competition should function as secretary.

E. Meulensteen: As there is no budget, the committee doesn’t need a treasurer.

M. Summers: The committee should consult foreign debaters on issues regarding rules etc.

The Council unanimously agreed that the European Debating Committee will have a chairman and secretary. It was agreed that the representative of the previous competition will be Chairman and the representative of the upcoming competition will be Secretary.



Bids for the 2000 European Championships

A bid was placed by Aberdeen University and presented to the council by Ms. Nicole Papadopoulos. Ms. Papadopoulos presented the history of the University and its debating society as well as the University’s credentials for hosting the Championships.



Mr. Duncan Cockburn outlined the proposed schedule, the accommodation arrangements, the entertainment planned and the possibility of a tour of the Scottish countryside on the last day of the competition. Mr. Cockburn also addressed the issue of sponsorship.



Ms. Papadopoulos explained that both local and foreign judges would be used for preliminary rounds and that distinguished Scottish politicians and academics were invited to judge out-rounds. The tabbing system the competition will employ is the ‘Swiss power pairing’ system and it will be used consistently throughout the competition. The tabbing will be done both manually and by computer to prevent errors.



The University of Aberdeen has agreed to provide the entrance fee for 10 teams from Eastern European countries. The principal of the university will determine who will receive the bursaries based on ‘need’ criteria.



The registration fee for the competition will be 85 Euros per person (maximum).



A question was raised regarding the methods Aberdeen University would employ to attract new teams.

Ms. Papadopoulos explained that the organizing committee would use a list of debating societies around the world and send invitations to teams eligible to participate in the competition. In addition, the organizers intend to use the momentum of Rotterdam 1999 to attract new teams.



E. Meulensteen: The Sorbon University debating society has expressed interest in participating in the future.

No other bids were made. The council accepted the bid placed by Aberdeen University to host the European Championships, 2000.



Which countries are eligible to participate in the European Championships?

E. Meulensteen: For purposes of the 1999 competition, any country west of the Ural Mountains was allowed to participate.

C. Flynn: Suggested that the countries allowed to participate should be all the countries that participate in UEFA. This way there will be no overlapping with the Australasian Championships.

Miurean O’Cinneide: The competition shouldn’t set strict rules. The admission criteria should stay flexible so as not to exclude interested teams.

Kazakhstan: All N.I.S. nations should be allowed to join.

Rachel Azaria: The decision should be based on the interaction between the European and Australasian Championships.

N. Papadopoulos: The determination should be based on the question - which competition is more accessible to every team.

G. Mamdani: We shouldn’t make strict rules. Rather, we should make ad-hoc decisions, should the question arise.

C. Flynn: The rules regarding eligibility should be included in the constitution.

E. Meulensteen: We should set a rule of thumb for the future.

Aaron Maniam: It should be possible for the organizers to make a case by case decision.

Yehoshua Gurtler: The European and Asian Championships should be ‘mutually exclusive’. Every team in the ‘unclear’ group should choose to participate in one of the competition and be banned from the other.

C. Flynn: We should adopt UEFA guidelines and cooperate with the Asian council.

T. O’Conner: Australia and the United States should be excluded from participating.

Manolis Polychronides: We should allow any team to participate, but only allow European teams to break.

The rule adopted by the council established that any ‘problematic’ team must choose between the European and Asian Championships and participate in only one of the two.



The European Debating Committee

Functions:



Drafting the European debating constitution.

Address any outstanding issues.

Undertake and responsibilities delegated by the council.

E. Meulensteen: The council must authorize decisions. The council determines the authority of the committee.

T. O’Connor: Rules shouldn’t be changed within a month before the competition and all teams should be notified of any amendments to the rules.

Committee Members, 1999-2000:



Chairman: Edwin Meulensteen (as determined by Erasmus University Debating Society on 16/04/'99)



Secretary: Duncan Cockburn, Scotland



Member: Ana Catarina Dias, Portugal



Member: Colm Flynn, Ireland



Member: Kristi Hakkaja, Estonia



Member: Geoff Mamdani, England



Member: Manolis Polychronides, Greece



T. O’Connor: The ‘debating.net’ network should be used for debaters to follow the committee’s activities.

The council members congratulated the organizing committee of the 1999 competition. ‘Rotterdam, Ech Wel!’



Enn Metsar: All participants should receive diplomas stating their role in the competition.

Invitations to upcoming competitions

Slovenia: Hosting debating tournament, 15-21/7, in Ljublbana, Slovenia. Competition will be held in British Parliamentary style. Registration fee: 45 Euros.

G. Mamdani & M. Summers: College of Law Inter-Varsity, 29-30/10. Including tournament and year-opening workshop.

Extending competition by one day

D. Cockburn: Extending competition will raise participation fee.

M. Summers: One more day significantly raises necessary budget.

N. Papadopoulos: It’s hard to get judges to come for so long.

Date of Tournament

M. Summers: Suggested that the tournament be moved to June.

B. Duyvesteyn: The competition will coincide with university exams.

M. O’Cinneide & C. Flynn: There is no budget left for a competition that late in the year.

T. O’Conner: The competition would clash with Bar Exams.

The tournament will be in April. The date might be moved forward by one week.



ESL Semi Finals

R. Azaria: Proposed that European Championships include ESL semi finals round.

B. Duyvesteyn: The debate could be run simultaneously with general semi finals.

T. O’Connor: This is not possible as teams may be in both.

D. Cockburn: The 7th round of debate could be cancelled in favor of ESL semi finals.

Council has no objections to dropping the 7th round in favour of ESL semi-finals.



Competition information on the World Wide Web

A desire was raised for an online list of all European competitions.

M. Summers: The ESU maintains a list of competitions.

C. Flynn: The committee should address this issue together with the operators of the ‘debating.net’ web site.

There were no further issues. E. Meulensteen closes the meeting.

Reported by Yehoshua Gurtler, Israel

2 May 1999

Manila WUDC 1999 Results

WINNER

Monash University A Australia

FINAL
"This house believes Nethanyahu is the biggest obstacle to peace in Israel"
University of Sydney E
Oxford University 
Monash University A
University of Sydney B

Semi Finals
"This House would get US bases out of Asia"
University of Sydney E Australia Progressed
Oxford University U.K. Progressed
Monash University A Australia Progressed
University of Sydney B Australia Progressed
University of Toronto A, Canada Eliminated
University of Witwatersrand South Africa Eliminated
Durham University A U.K. Eliminated
Macquarie University A Australia Eliminated

Quarter-Finals
"This house believes that Media is more Powerful than the Government."
University of Sydney E Australia Progressed
University of Toronto A, Canada Progressed
Oxford University U.K. Progressed
University of Witwatersrand South Africa Progressed
Monash University A Australia Progressed
University of Sydney B Australia Progressed
Durham University A U.K. Progressed
Macquarie University A Australia Progressed
Government College of Pakistan A Pakistan Eliminated
University of Santo Tomas-A Philippeans Eliminated
Inner Temple A U.K. Eliminated
University of Sydney A Australia Eliminated
University of Sydney C Australia Eliminated
Monash University B Australia Eliminated
Glasgow University A Scotland Eliminated
Glasgow University C Scotland Eliminated


Octo-Finals
"This house believes that old dictators should not have to face the music"
University of Sydney E (Australia) Progressed
Monash University A (Australia) Progressed
Oxford University (U.K.) Progressed
Macquarie University A (Australia) Progressed
University of Toronto A (Canada) Progressed
University of Sydney B (Australia) Progressed
Durham University A (U.K.) Progressed
University of Santo Tomas A (Philippines) Progressed
University of Witwatersrand A (South Africa) Progressed
Government College of Pakistan A (Pakistan) Progressed
University of Sydney A (Australia) Progressed
Monash University B (Australia) Progressed
Inner Temple A (UK) Progressed
University of Sydney C (Australia) Progressed
Glasgow University A (Scotland) Progressed
Glasgow University C (Scotland) Progressed
University College Dublin (Ireland) Eliminated
Stellenbosch University A (South Africa) Eliminated
Middle Temple A (U.K.) Eliminated
University of Dublin, Postgrad-A (Ireland) Eliminated
Oxford University B (U.K.) Eliminated
University of London A (U.K.) Eliminated
Cambridge University B (U.K.) Eliminated
Victoria University (New Zealand) Eliminated
University of New South Wales B (Australia) Eliminated
Columbia University (Canada) Eliminated
Johns Hopkins University (U.S.) Eliminated
University of Sydney F (Australia) Eliminated
Bates College (U.S.) Eliminated
University of Santo Tomas B (Philippines) Eliminated
National University of Singapore (Singapore) Eliminated
University of the Philippines Law A (Philippines) Eliminated

First round motions were
1. TH supports the bombing of Iraq.
2. TH believes globalisation marginalises the poor.
3. TH believes the father should be present at conception.
4. TH believes ASEAN should rally behind Anwar.
5. TH believes art should be free from censorship.
6. TH believes democracy is the best way forward for Russia.
7. TH believes religious leaders should listen to opinion polls.
8. TH would rehabilitate criminals.
9. TH believes that federalism will not work for europe.


ESL Competition
Winner :University of Santo Tomas Grad B  (Arlene Maneja & Franco Larcina)
Finalists:
Government University of Pakistan (Masuma Zareen Farooki & Ali Raza Naqvi)

University of the Philippines Law A (Rommel Casis & Ephyro Amatong)
University of Santo Tomas A (Enrique "Buco" de la Cruz& Jason Go)




Masters

The following are the details of the World Masters Championships in Manila.


England made the semi-final even though they were defeated by Scotland in the 1st round. The tie-break to decide the fourth team was 'winning-margin' ie the team that lost their round by the narrowest number of speaker points. (thanks to Richard Swales for this info)

WINNERS
Ireland
Colm O' Cinneide (Limerick)
Gavin Hurley (Cambridge)
John Long (Cork)
Diarmuid Conway (Cork)

World Masters Championships

Finalists
Australia  v Ireland
Masters Semi-Finals

"This House believes that Child Labour is necessary in developing countries"
Ireland V England
Australia V Scotland

Masters 1st Round
"This house would support global nuclear disarmament."
Australia V Phippipeans
Ireland V Japan
Scotland V England.

Cambridge IV: Results 1998

1998 Andersen Consulting Inter-Varsity

Hosted by the Cambridge Union Society

Overall Winners:
UCC Phil A (Conway & Herrick)

Results by Team
1 Oxford A 79(1) 78(1) 88(1) 89(1) 81(2) 415(6)
2 ICSL A 84(1) 86(1) 85(1) 75(3) 83(1) 413(7)
3 Oxford B 78(1) 82(1) 81(2) 77(2) 80(3) 398(9)
4 Durham 82(1) 70(4) 81(1) 79(1) 80(2) 392(9)
5 UCC Phil A 79(1) 76(2) 77(3) 75(2) 81(1) 388(9)
6 ICSL B 78(2) 87(1) 74(4) 81(2) 81(1) 401(10)
7 UCC Phil B 75(2) 86(1) 78(2) 66(4) 79(1) 384(10)
8 Lincoln's Inn A 78(2) 72(3) 78(1) 72(3) 80(1) 380(10)
9 Oxford C 77(1) 72(3) 76(1) 73(3) 80(2) 378(10)
10 Strathclyde 74(2) 79(2) 69(1) 82(1) 73(4) 377(10)
11 ULU A 83(1) 79(2) 75(3) 76(3) 77(2) 390(11)
12 UCL 81(1) 75(3) 77(2) 71(4) 80(1) 384(11)
13 King's London 75(3) 73(2) 81(2) 79(1) 70(3) 378(11)
14 College of Law B 75(1) 76(2) 71(4) 75(1) 75(3) 372(11)
15 Bates A 83(1) 68(4) 77(1) 78(1) 59(4) 365(11)
16 London 67(1) 75(3) 64(2) 69(4) 77(1) 352(11)
16 TCD Hist B 70(2) 84(2) 50(4) 72(1) 76(2) 352(11)
18 Limerick A 72(3) 73(2) 80(3) 74(3) 82(1) 381(12)
19 ULU C 72(2) 81(1) 75(4) 77(2) 75(3) 380(12)
20 Cambridge B 72(3) 78(1) 73(4) 76(2) 72(2) 371(12)
21 TCD Phil C 79(1) 69(4) 77(2) 71(2) 71(3) 367(12)
22 MDU B 70(3) 71(3) 69(2) 65(3) 83(1) 358(12)
23 MDU D 66(3) 75(2) 71(3) 69(2) 76(2) 357(12)
24 Claremont 64(2) 78(3) 84(1) 77(2) 51(4) 354(12)
25 MDU A 77(2) 77(3) 74(3) 83(1) 74(4) 385(13)
26 MDU C 69(4) 73(1) 73(4) 77(2) 77(2) 369(13)
27 TCD Phil A 77(2) 73(2) 75(2) 73(4) 68(3) 366(13)
28 Inner Temple 68(3) 77(1) 57(3) 71(4) 82(2) 355(13)
29 Utrecht 72(3) 67(4) 68(2) 70(1) 71(3) 348(13)
30 College of Law A 53(3) 72(3) 73(1) 75(3) 70(3) 343(13)
31 TCD Phil B 68(4) 66(2) 68(3) 65(3) 65(1) 332(13)
32 Cambridge A 20(4) 71(3) 71(1) 77(1) 66(4) 305(13)
33 TCD Law Soc A 74(4) 76(1) 76(2) 63(4) 75(3) 364(14)
33 Bates B 75(4) 75(2) 71(4) 65(3) 78(1) 364(14)
35 Limerick B 76(3) 75(1) 74(3) 68(3) 58(4) 351(14)
36 ULU B 72(2) 65(4) 70(1) 72(3) 70(4) 349(14)
37 Erasmus 59(4) 76(1) 65(4) 74(1) 66(4) 340(14)
38 TCD Hist A 65(3) 64(4) 76(1) 64(4) 60(2) 329(14)
39 LSE 79(2) 74(4) 73(3) 71(4) 76(2) 373(15)
40 ULU D 73(3) 71(3) 59(4) 76(1) 70(4) 349(15)
41 UCC Law Soc 73(3) 55(4) 74(2) 66(3) 56(3) 324(15)
42 TCD Phil D 74(2) 70(4) 65(3) 72(4) 70(3) 351(16)
43 Leicester 70(4) 72(2) 67(4) 72(2) 55(4) 336(16)
44 Hild Bede 55(4) 69(3) 59(3) 67(2) 68(4) 318(16)
45 St. Andrews 62(4) 65(3) 58(4) 63(4) 68(1) 316(16)
46 Middlebury 20(4) 70(4) 67(3) 69(2) 63(3) 289(16)
47 College of Law C 57(4) 65(4) 62(4) 61(4) 64(2) 309(18)
48 Lincoln's Inn B 64(4) 64(4) 62(2) 57(4) 60(4) 307(18)

Results by Speaker (Nov 98)
1 Matt Guy ICSL A 42 44 43 39 42 210
2 Andy Kidd Oxford A 40 40 45 45 39 209
3 Simon Milne Oxford A 39 38 43 44 42 206
4 Rob Garson ICSL A 42 42 42 36 41 203
5 Ryan Orange Oxford B 40 40 39 41 42 202
5 Gaz Weetman ICSL B 39 42 40 41 40 202
7 Simon Mollan Durham 42 36 42 40 41 201
8 Nick Dunham ICSL B 39 45 34 40 41 199
9 Paul Cowley LSE 43 41 37 36 41 198
9 Colm O'Conaill UCC Phil A 40 39 39 38 42 198
11 Michael Birshan Oxford C 39 37 41 38 42 197
11 Patrick Hughes Strathclyde 37 42 39 42 37 197
13 Thiru Vignarajah ULU A 41 39 39 39 38 196
13 Elliot Gold MDU A 40 40 37 42 37 196
13 Muireann O'Cinneide Oxford B 38 42 42 36 38 196
16 Diarmuid O Conbhui UCC Phil B 37 43 41 34 40 195
17 Daragh Grant ULU A 42 40 36 37 39 194
18 Amanda Jones UCL 40 38 39 36 40 193
19 Colm Linnane Limerick A 37 37 40 38 40 192
19 Daniel Hubbard King's London 39 37 41 40 35 192
19 James Horsman Lincoln's Inn A 39 35 40 36 42 192
22 Demetri Spanos ULU C 36 40 37 40 38 191
22 Stand-In Three Cambridge B 39 40 39 36 37 191
22 James Darrall Durham 40 34 39 39 39 191
22 Anna Kirk UCL 41 37 38 35 40 191
26 Donnchadh O'Conaill UCC Phil A 39 37 38 37 39 190
27 Claire McCarthy Limerick A 35 36 40 36 42 189
27 Nussein Nasser ULU C 36 41 38 37 37 189
27 Liam Heritic UCC Phil B 38 43 37 32 39 189
27 Oliver Houston MDU A 37 37 37 41 37 189
31 Matthew Kirk Lincoln's Inn A 39 37 38 36 38 188
32 Geoff Mamdami College of Law B 37 39 36 37 38 187
33 Steve Salinger MDU C 34 37 36 38 41 186
33 Tom Young King's London 36 36 40 39 35 186
35 Niall Murphy TCD Phil C 40 35 40 35 35 185
35 Caroline Collins College of Law B 38 37 35 38 37 185
37 Jim McElroy TCD Law Soc A 38 37 38 31 40 184
37 Ciaran Walsh TCD Phil A 37 37 38 37 35 184
39 Tamara BucknellPogue Bates A 42 34 39 40 28 183
39 Julia Murchello Bates B 38 38 36 33 38 183
39 Alex Russel MDU C 35 36 37 39 36 183
42 Brendan McGarry TCD Hist A 40 35 39 34 34 182
42 Conor Byrne TCD Phil A 40 36 37 36 33 182
42 David Martin TCD Phil C 39 34 37 36 36 182
42 Oscar Sharp MDU D 35 37 35 35 40 182
42 Mark Boudreau Bates A 41 34 38 38 31 182
42 Michael Armstrong MDU B 38 36 34 33 41 182
48 Spenser Steadman Oxford C 38 35 35 35 38 181
48 Michael Skelly Bates B 37 37 35 32 40 181
48 Ming-Li Kong ULU B 38 32 36 37 38 181
51 James Lawrence Strathclyde 37 37 30 40 36 180
51 Louis Mooney TCD Law Soc A 36 39 38 32 35 180
51 Stand-In Four Cambridge B 33 38 34 40 35 180
54 Victoria Tippett ULU D 37 37 30 38 37 179
54 Donncha O'Shea TCD Hist B 36 43 25 37 38 179
54 Johnathan Ilan TCD Phil D 38 36 34 37 34 179
57 Mark Summers London 38 40 29 33 38 178
57 S Chelvan Inner Temple 33 40 29 35 41 178
57 David Kaplan Claremont 35 38 41 39 25 178
60 Rutger Glaassen Utrecht 37 35 34 36 35 177
60 Matt Waudby Inner Temple 35 37 28 36 41 177
62 Jane Swaden MDU B 32 35 35 32 42 176
62 Michael Hourigan Limerick B 38 38 33 34 33 176
62 Nate Truitt Claremont 29 40 43 38 26 176
65 Sadat Monnan LSE 36 33 36 35 35 175
65 Graham Hughes MDU D 31 38 36 34 36 175
65 Keith Pigott Limerick B 38 37 41 34 25 175
68 Alex Eerdmans Erasmus 30 38 34 38 34 174
68 Mark Gabriel London 29 35 35 36 39 174
70 Beibhinn O'Connor TCD Hist B 34 41 25 35 38 173
70 Adrian Montagu College of Law A 27 36 37 38 35 173
72 Brendan Igoe TCD Phil D 36 34 31 35 36 172
73 Vishal Nangalia Leicester 35 36 35 37 28 171
73 Wouter Vermeulten Utrecht 35 32 34 34 36 171
75 Julian Versteeg College of Law A 26 36 36 37 35 170
75 Sasha Bull ULU D 36 34 29 38 33 170
77 Daragh McGinley TCD Phil B 33 34 37 33 32 169
78 Char. Sivapragasam ULU B 34 33 34 35 32 168
79 James Arnold St. Andrews 32 34 31 36 33 166
79 Neelam Sharma Lincoln's Inn B 34 34 32 32 34 166
79 Jeannette Baljeu Erasmus 29 38 31 36 32 166
82 Donal Kenneally UCC Law Soc 37 27 39 35 27 165
82 Ryan D'Sa Leicester 35 36 32 35 27 165
84 Shane Glackin TCD Phil B 35 32 31 32 33 163
85 Richard Swales Hild Bede 28 33 29 34 35 159
85 Emmet O'Brien UCC Law Soc 36 28 35 31 29 159
85 Michael Bruce Hild Bede 27 36 30 33 33 159
88 Jonathan Dennis College of Law C 29 32 31 34 32 158
89 Stand-In One Cambridge A 10 35 35 40 34 154
90 Candice Nataf College of Law C 28 33 31 27 32 151
90 Stand-In Two Cambridge A 10 36 36 37 32 151
92 Jonathan Finbow St. Andrews 30 31 27 27 35 150
93 Brian McIntyre TCD Hist A 25 29 37 30 26 147
94 Adil Husain Middlebury 10 37 34 32 32 145
95 Brian Harrison Middlebury 10 33 33 37 31 144
96 Gareth Griffiths Lincoln's Inn B 30 30 30 25 26 141


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Feb 1998
Note: The Cambridge IV for 1997 was delayed until Feb 1998. The 1998 IV was held in November as usual

Results by Individual Feb 1998
1 Colm O'Connaill Cork Philosoph A 38 37 42 45 40 202
2 Donnchadh O'Connaill Cork Philosoph A 39 38 41 43 40 201
3 Gillian Cull Oxford A 41 40 40 38 40 199
3 Matt Innes City 43 39 38 41 38 199
5 Rob Garson City 41 41 37 40 39 198
6 Amanda Jones UC London A 39 37 42 40 39 197
7 Duncan Hanes Oxford A 40 40 38 39 39 196
8 Simon Mollan Durham A 39 39 38 37 42 195
9 Chris Tine Bates B 37 36 40 38 43 194
9 Rob Rinder MDU A 38 41 36 39 40 194
9 Liz Lamzaki Bates B 40 38 36 41 39 194
9 James Darrall Durham A 39 39 37 41 38 194
13 Jake Beck Oxford B 38 41 37 39 38 193
14 Dennis Kavanagh UC London A 39 33 43 39 37 191
14 Swing A2 Swing A 40 39 36 38 38 191
16 Swing B2 Swing B 43 36 35 32 43 189
17 Sarah Fennell TCD Historical A 37 39 39 38 35 188
17 Bibi Duyvesteyn Durham B 37 36 39 40 36 188
17 Peter O'Brien TCD Historical A 36 37 36 42 37 188
20 Brian Leahy Cork Philosoph B 37 36 38 39 37 187
20 Swing A1 Swing A 43 34 35 40 35 187
20 Rebecca Goetz Bates A 39 42 38 36 32 187
23 Jenn-Hui Tan Durham B 36 37 39 37 36 185
23 Mark Byrne TCD Historical B 44 36 34 36 35 185
25 Mike Ripley St. Cuthberts 38 40 34 37 35 184
26 David MacDuff Oxford B 40 32 36 37 38 183
26 Matthew Fox Trinity Phil B 36 36 37 35 39 183
28 Tom Braithwaite Lincoln's Inn 29 38 39 37 39 182
28 Elliot Gold MDU A 35 38 36 35 38 182
30 Michael Skelly Bates A 38 37 38 34 33 180
31 Swing B1 Swing B 41 35 32 33 38 179
31 Leo Varadkar TCD Historical B 37 36 34 38 34 179
33 Martin Worthington UC London B 32 32 39 34 38 175
33 Chase Huntley Claremont 38 31 37 37 32 175
33 Monte Lutz Claremont 40 34 38 32 31 175
33 Stephen Vaughan Cork Philosoph B 38 34 37 34 32 175
37 John Tomsky St. Cuthberts 37 40 30 31 35 173
37 Connor Byrne Trinity Phil B 31 34 35 33 40 173
37 Zoe Abrams MDU B 35 33 37 33 35 173
40 Craig Rimmer Hull 32 31 35 37 37 172
40 Chi Kee Ming Leicester A 36 36 36 28 36 172
42 Jamie Norton MDU B 36 32 35 33 35 171
43 Elaine Geary Cork Law 31 35 34 36 33 169
44 Lee Suen Leicester A 37 35 34 28 33 167
45 Daniel Williams UC London B 32 29 41 31 33 166
46 Robert Olsen Hild Bede 36 38 32 33 25 164
47 Daniel Valentine Hull 31 33 34 32 32 162
47 Chris Miller Lincoln's Inn 27 33 34 36 32 162
49 Emily Maher TCD Historical C 35 33 32 30 31 161
50 Colm Green Trinity Phil A 33 31 32 25 39 160
50 Tim Kelleher Cork Law 29 37 28 33 33 160
52 Adam Gaine Keele 32 34 33 31 27 157
53 Francis Hoar Bristol 33 27 37 26 33 156
54 Chris Alexander Leicester C 29 35 34 27 30 155
55 Rob Lewis Trinity Phil A 33 32 28 25 36 154
56 Aisling Mulholland TCD Historical C 32 34 26 30 31 153
57 Richard Swales Hild Bede 32 34 32 29 25 152
57 Deepak Rangoonwala Leicester B 34 25 30 33 30 152
59 Faris Dean Leicester B 32 26 32 30 30 150
60 Francis Hasek Bristol 32 26 33 25 32 148
60 Ryan D'Sa Leicester C 30 33 27 28 30 148
62 Laura Blythe Keele 31 36 27 26 25 145
62 Lucy-Jo Parkhouse MDU C 27 25 30 35 28 145
64 Ann Davies MDU C 27 25 27 38 26 143

Austral-Asian Debating Championships 1999

Winners

Sydney 1 - Nick Purtell, Andrew Charlton and Rebecca Graham

Runners Up
Monash 1 - Andrew Phillips, Meg O'Sullivan and Dan Celm.

Team Rankings

RANK TEAM WINS TOTAL POINTS

1 Monash University-1 6 1892
2 Monash University-2 6 1871
3 Sydney University-1 6 1866
4 University of Technology, Sydney-1 5 1891
5 University of NSW-2 5 1861
6 University of NSW-1 5 1853
7 Sydney University-2 5 1852
8 Sydney University-5 5 1852
9 International Islamic University-2 5 1850
10 Sydney University-3 5 1849
11 International Islamic University-1 5 1848
12 Sydney University-4 5 1847
13 Ateneo de Manila University-1 5 1846
14 National University of Singapore-1 4 1865
15 University of Western Australia-1 4 1857
16 Monash University-4 4 1854
17 Victoria University of Wellington-1 4 1849
18 Melbourne University-1 4 1848
19 Otago University-1 4 1838
20 Sydney University-6 4 1833
21 Melbourne University-2 4 1833
22 Monash University-3 4 1830
23 Nanyang Technological University-1 4 1828
24 Victoria University of Wellington-2 4 1826
25 Princeton University-1 4 1824
26 Nanyang Technological University-2 4 1818
27 Monash University-6 3 1949
28 University of NSW-3 3 1836
29 National University of Singapore-2 3 1834
30 Macquarie University-1 3 1830
31 Canterbury University-1 3 1825
32 Victoria University of Wellington-4 3 1820
33 Monash University-5 3 1820
34 University of Technology, Sydney-2 3 1819
35 Delhi University-1 3 1819
36 Victoria University of Wellington-3 3 1812
37 Macquarie University-2 3 1806
38 Swing-1 3 1803
39 University of Technology, Sydney-3 3 1797
40 Canterbury University-2 3 1770
41 Melbourne University-3 2 1823
42 Otago University-2 2 1819
43 Australian Defense Force Academy-1 2 1813
44 Delhi University-2 2 1808
45 Macquarie University-3 2 1808
46 Melbourne University-4 2 1803
47 Delhi University-3 2 1783
48 University of Tasmania-1 2 1781
49 Bond University-1 1 1830
50 Victoria University of Wellington-5 1 1794
51 Auckland University-1 1 1792
52 University Of Queensland-1 1 179


Individual Rankings

Rank Debater University Speaker Points

1 Dan Celm Monash-1 545.5
2 Meg O'Sullivan Monash-1 544.17
3 Steve Kaless UTS-1 544
4 Rebecca Graham Sydney-1 541.5
5 Andrew Phillips Monash-1 540.67
6 Paul Hunyor UTS-1 539.33
7 Cathy Rossouw Monash-2 538.33
8 Greg O'Mahoney UTS-1 538
9 Lee Kher Sheng NUS-1 537
10 Chris Bacon Melbourne-1 535
11 Pete Morris UNSW-2 534
12 Luke Oliver Monash-2 534
13 Andrew Charlton Sydney-1 533.67
14 Dinny McMahon UNSW-2 533.67
15 Philip Senior UWA-1 533.67
16 Neela Janakiramanan Monash-6 533.34
17 Greg Fox UNSW-1 533
18 Ebony Morrisson Monash-2 533
19 Aizuddin Danian IIU-2 532.67
20 Nick Purtell Sydney-1 532.5
21 Jonathan Yuen NUS-1 532
22 Matt Cuthell Vic-1 532
23 Kathleen Foley UWA-1 532
24 Alex Croft Sydney-5 532
25 Hamish White Sydney-5 532
26 Richard Howard UNSW-1 531.33
27 Alex Macoun Sydney-3 531
28 Chelsea Payne Vic-1 531
29 Vanessa Collins UNSW-2 531
30 Laila De Melo Sydney-2 530.55
31 Toby Brennan Sydney-2 530.34
32 Dominic Knight Sydney-4 530.33
33 Ngoei Wen-Quing NUS-1 530
34 Sarah Kennedy Melbourne-1 528.67
35 Sarah Wineberg Monash-4 528.66
36 Janine Dennis Maquarie-1 528.5
37 Rachel Carrell Otago-1 528
38 Natalia Kowalczyk Monash-6 528
39 Gareth Tilley Sydney-3 527.67
40 Michael Smith Monash-4 527.66
41 Shirin Tang NUS-2 527.33
42 Kathryne James Monash-4 527
43 Fahda Ahmad Kamar IIU-1 527
44 Catherine Brain Melbourne-2 527
45 Shobana Kanagasingham Melbourne-2 527
46 Pia Arcangel Atenao-1 527
47 Saadiah Freeman Sydney-4 527
48 Nick Chaim Monash-3 527
49 Brad Lancken Sydney-2 527
50 James Bitanga Atenao-1 526.83
51 Mediha Mahmood IIU-2 526.67
52 Sageeta Subbrahmanyam NUS-2 526.33
53 Mark Johnstone UNSW-3 526.33
54 Selwyn Feldman Bond-1 526.17
55 Ng Boon Yian NTU-1 526.16
56 Amrita Kapur UNSW-1 526
57 David Smith Sydney-4 526
58 Miles Drury Sydney-5 526
59 Himanshu Chaturvedi NTU-2 526
60 Burhan Kawosa IIU-1 526
61 Gemma Solomon UWA-1 525.33
62 Aditya Kanthy Delhi-1 525.33
63 Anubhav Mehrotra NTU-1 525.33
64 Brad Crammond Monash-6 525.01
65 Hamish Forsyth Otago-2 525
66 Belinda Yeo Sydney-6 525
67 Katie McLellan UNSW-3 525
68 Ani Satchithananda Sydney-3 525
69 Antonia Reid Vic-2 524.67
70 Owen Davis Sydney-6 524.66
71 Chris Curran Otago-1 524.33
72 Nicola Willis Vic-2 524.17
73 Catherine Orr Melbourne-3 524.17
74 Andrew Yeo IIU-1 524
75 Ben Hamlin Otago-1 524
76 Rian Matthews Melbourne-3 523.83
77 Mohd Sani Ismail IIU-2 523.83
78 John Vedelago UNSW-3 523.67
79 Renee Saibi UTS-2 523.5
80 Kevin Moar Vic-3 523.5
81 Sarah Wynn-Williams Canterbury-1 523.33
82 Annesley Athaide Maquarie-3 523.33
83 Claire Waugh Young Melbourne-1 523
84 Roland Dillon Monash-3 523
85 Duncan Small Vic-1 523
86 Mallika Gadepalli NTU-2 523
87 Catherine Moody Canterbury-1 522.66
88 James Butchard Canterbury-1 522
89 Bruce Paton Monash-5 522
90 Caasie Mcgannon Monash-5 522
91 David Silverman Princeton-1 521.67
92 Ryan Valles Delhi-1 521.67
93 Emily Garin Princeton-1 521.67
94 Gerald Kuppusamy NUS-2 521.67
95 Nick Henry Vic-2 521.5
96 Thomas Smithurst ADFA-1 521.33
97 Aaron Timms Sydney-6 521.33
98 Mayank Shekhar Delhi-1 521.33
99 Laurence Bleicher Princeton-1 520.67
100 Ben Bigelow Melbourne-3 520.6

Results from the 6th All-Asian Debating Championships 1999

Winner:

UST 1

Runner up:
IIU 1

Public Speaking:

Paolo Pasicolan
Praba Ganesan
Lee Kher Sheng

Best Rookie Team Award

GOVT 1 from Pakistan

Detailed Team Results

The list below is the ranking of the teams participated in the 6th All-Asians.The result was based on the 7 preliminary rounds and it's ranked by the following order :

1. Wins
2. Margins
3. Points

RANKINGS TEAM NAME WINS MARGINS POINTS

1 ADM 1 7 29.8 1871.8
2 DLSU 1 6 24.3 1851.5
3 NUS 1 6 13.9 1860.4
4 GOVT 1 5 18.9 1848.1
5 DLSU 2 5 16.5 1844.1
6 UST 1 5 16.1 1855.9
7 UPD 3 5 12 1857.4
8 ADM 2 5 9.8 1857.8
9 NUS 2 5 8.7 1861
10 NTU 1 5 7.2 1835
11 ADM 4 5 7 1834.6
12 IIU 2 4 15.1 1854.6
13 IIU 1 4 10.2 1861.1
14 UM 1 4 9.7 1842.6
15 UPD 4 4 8.1 1838.2
16 NTU 3 4 7.6 1839.4
17 UPD 2 4 7.3 1831.6
18 UPD 1 4 6.8 1844
19 ADM 3 4 6.5 1843.7
20 UM 2 4 5.4 1818
21 UUM 1 4 3.1 1822.4
22 DLSU 5 4 0.9 1834.5
23 ITM 1 4 -1.6 1821
24 UMT 1 4 -2.1 1820.2
25 PUTRA 1 4 -5.5 1830.4
26 UTM 2 4 -8.9 1793.6
27 DLSU 3 3 9.1 1838.7
28 NTU 2 3 6.3 1838.5
29 UPM 1 3 -0.3 1833.3
30 NUS 3 3 -0.5 1827.6
31 UST 3 3 -1.1 1838.5
32 UST 4 3 -2.9 1835
33 UTM 1 3 -3.5 1829.8
34 UMT 2 3 -4.3 1824.5
35 DLSU 4 3 -4.4 1823.4
36 UPD 5 3 -4.8 1826.1
37 SP 1 3 -6.3 1819.9
38 SWING 3 -11.35 1787.1
39 ICU 1 3 -13.1 1780.4
40 DLSU-B 2 3 -16.9 1783.5
41 UST 2 2 -0.5 1853
42 IIU 3 2 -2.3 1828.4
43 UUM 2 2 -9.4 1821.9
44 UI 1 2 -9.5 1820.4
45 DLSU-B 1 2 -11.7 1823.9
46 XUADC 1 2 -12 1800.4
47 UI 2 2 -13.9 1806.1
48 MU 2 2 -16.3 1780.7
49 KEIO 1 2 -22.3 1770.5
50 PUTRA 2 1 -21.15 1778.9
51 MU 1 1 -26.7 1774.1
52 PYU 1 1 -27 1759.5

Detailed Individual Results


RANK NAME LAST NAME TEAM NAME TOTAL POINTS

1 aizuddin danian iiu 2 535.67
2 paolo pasicolan admu 1 535.33
3 praba ganesan dlsu1 534.6
4 burhan kawosa iiu 1 534.33
5 diane desierto upd 3 533.73
6 ana alano admu1 533.67
7 arnel ordas ust 1 533.47
8 nikki briones dlsu 3 533
9 wen-qing ngoei nus 1 532.5
10 gerardo largoza dlsu2 532.47
11 edzyl josef magante ust 1 532.37
12 patricia isabel gallardo admu 2 532
12 sangeeta subbrahmanyam nus 2 532
12 victoria dominique ang admu 1 532
15 rommel casis upd 3 531.93
16 ivan evetovics iiu 1 531.67
16 mria pia concepcion arcangel admu 2 531.67
18 jonathan yuen nus 2 531.33
19 kher sheng lee nus 1 531.17
20 ali raza naovinaqui govt 1 530.67
20 victoria cortez ust 2 530.67
20 ma. Estrella manuel ust 2 530.67
23 joan de venecia admu 4 530.33
24 jin long pao nus 1 529.83
25 ephyro luis amatong upd 3 529.8
26 mohd sani moho ismail iiu 2 529.67
27 rudi ramin ust 1 529.5
28 william panlilio admu 2 529.33
29 thomas samuel um 1 528.67
30 mohanaraj gopalakrishnan umt 1 528.5
30 noel cusi ust 2 528.5
32 jeremy de cha upd 1 528.43
33 ervina samilin upd 4 528.33
33 tizreena bte.mohd ismal putra 1 528.33
35 fabian bernard a mangahas admu 3 528
35 masuma zareen farooki govt 1 528
35 maya lakshman nus 2 528
38 faye gloria ust 3 527.83
39 andrew yeo iiu 1 527.67
40 kristinelli reyes dlsu2 527.5
41 james christian a bitanga admu 3 527.33
42 pamela manuel upd 1 527.3
43 boon yian ntu 1 527.2
44 mallika gadepalli ntu 3 527.07
45 bea concepcion upm 1 527
45 rabia javaid govt 1 527
47 derrick paulo ntu 3 526.73
48 himanshu chaturvedi ntu 3 526.17
48 michele choo um 1 526.17
50 olive joy cabacungan ust 4 525.87
51 carlos mori rodriguez upm 1 525.83
52 sydette manuel ust 4 525.8
53 henry villanueva ust 4 525.73
54 jasmin romex ust 3 525.63
55 wilbert yuque dlsu1 525.4
56 suresh gnasegarah umt 2 525.33
57 aida safura niza othman utm 1 525.17
57 anand      um 1 525.17
57 cho chun loong uum 1 525.17
60 anubhav mehrotra ntu 1 525.07
61 doni lao dlsu-b 1 525
61 edora ahmad iiu 2 525
63 edward cabato ust 3 524.9
63 pavan thadani ntu 2 524.9
65 gunjan kathuria ntu 2 524.7
66 edsel tupaz admu 3 524.67
66 regina maria ozoa upd 4 524.67
66 rene jr. ledesma dlsu 3 524.67
69 harveen narulla nus 3 524.33
70 azahan azad iiu 3 524.07
70 genevieve bermego dlsu1 524.07
72 cheryll len valenzuela admu 4 524
73 mark richard d. evidente upd 2 523.67
74 hong seng lau ntu 2 523.57
75 devanshu dhyani ntu 1 523.53
76 alexandra ganzon dlsu4 523.47
77 michael talplacino dlsu 5 523.33
77 emmeline aglipay dlsu 5 523.33
79 psyche fontanilla upd 4 523
80 joyce chai sp 1 522.7
81 eleanor kathryn rabuy upd 2 522.67
82 md.mozahidur rahaman iiu 3 522.6
83 sucharit pongprakyun putra 1 522.5
84 gail totanes dlsu 5 522.33
84 karen teoh nus 3 522.33
84 michael mejia upd 2 522.33
84 yvette chua dlsu2 522.33
88 alman dave quiboquibo upd 5 522.07
89 wai seng wong utm 1 522
89 albert lester olayer admu 4 522
89 nazmus sadat shami iiu 3 522
92 malini rajendaran uum 2 521.93
93 charmaine posa upd 1 521.83
94 mohd. Reza abd. Rahim itm 1 521.67
94 muhammad moideen itm 1 521.67
96 lee ai ling um 2 521.37
97 afdzal iskandar husni husin uum 2 521.27
98 chern hsing lee umt 2 521.17
99 maricar paz m garde dlsu 3 521
99 phui san cheong umt 1 521
99 takashi ebihara nus 3 521
102 miguel garcia dlsu-b 1 520.93
102 seow kok hooi uum 2 520.93
104 roy alfred santillian dlsu4 520.87
105 dyan shinto ekopuri ui 1 520.47
106 joseph israel leban upd 5 520.4
107 permata harahap ui 1 520.07
108 lawrence antaran upm 1 519.67
108 ramendra loganathan utm 1 519.67
110 choong mei yee um 2 519.53
111 shazmi ali sardar ali uum 1 519.5
112 adrian yuen sp 1 518.47
113 judithia a. wirawan ui 2 518.37
114 li p'ing yu umt 1 518.17
114 wan azmir wan majid itm 1 518.17
116 radhika das um 2 517.97
117 ria nuri dharmawan ui 1 517.8
118 shamsun nisha shahul ahmad utm 2 517.63
119 lim swee hong putra 1 517
119 somyanarain NPM uum 1 517
121 sharon lok sp 1 516.57
122 jess perina dlsu-b 1 515.93
123 majidah hashim putra 2 515.67
124 satomi Sakaguchi icu 1 515.2
125 patrick mariano upd 5 515.1
126 anthony brian go xuadc 1 515.07
127 brian samuel duruin dlsu4 514.9
128 pei-fu hsieh swing 514.8
129 firlian purwanti ui 2 514.43
130 rino paez dlsu-b 2 514.13
131 vera liza gonzalez xuadc 1 514.07
132 chin yi chieng umt 2 513.9
133 soponporn saeung swing 512.27
134 ra delina patail utm 2 512.23
135 saphannee eamkeo swing 511.13
136 adhy poetra al-hosen ui 2 511.07
137 masako suzuki keio 1 510.87
138 jarossri samittachati mu 2 510.47
139 joaquin miguel celdran xuadc 1 510.13
140 pongtheb yangsomcheep mu 1 509.93
141 azhar jamal putra 2 509.6
142 somsnit vanprapa mu 2 508.67
143 jiro hasumi keio 1 507.87
143 masaki miyashita icu 1 507.87
145 saranjit seththee pyu 1 507.4
146 puttanee kangkun mu 1 507
147 mohd yunus b. zakariah putra 2 505.53
148 takeshi sano icu 1 504.8
149 pawaree sriprasom mu 2 504.67
150 sze yen hoo utm 2 504.53
151 joel sy dlsu-b 2 504.4
152 son ninsri mu 1 504.13
153 clem junio dlsu-b 2 502.2
154 kanittha srithuma pyu 1 500.6
155 shinjiro kimura keio 1 499.07
156 thanwadee yothinparithad pyu 1 430.67